Wednesday, July 29, 2009

SHOWING THE WHITE FLAG IN AFGHANISTAN

It was just a week or so ago when Barack Obama noted that he does not want to use the word 'victory' relative to the fight in Afghanistan. Now we have the article that follows promoting the idea of "unprecedented" talks with the Taliban terrorist group about ending their insurgency. Anyone noticing a pattern emerging?

First, regarding the concept of 'victory': if Americans are fighting and dying for something other than victory, the Commander In Chief should bring them home tomorrow. Americans should not be asked to sacrifice their lives for anything short of defeat of the enemy who is attempting to kill them. Only a far left academic theorist like Obama could possibly conger up such absurd ideas. Play to win or get out of the game.

Most significantly, what is the anticipated outcome from "talks" with the Taliban? That they will lay down their arms and peacefully coexist? Not going to happen. That we can trust their word relative to whatever they promise in such talks? Who in their right mind would trust terrorists? The Taliban will promise whatever is required that will eventually lead to their complete and total victory in this conflict. They will not surrender and that has been proven over the historical long haul not to mention over the past eight years.

So what do the British and the Obama administration want to accomplish here? That question has an easy answer. They seek the political cover required to pack up and get out of town without appearing to have given up even though that is precisely what will be the practical result.

The allied leadership is showing the white flag of surrender. The Taliban know it. Al Qaeda knows it. The Afghans know it. And soon the rest of the world will recognize it for what it is. Only the far left will consider it wholly justifiable. And truly, the sacrifice of those who have died there will be in vain.

Those in the Karzai government along with those who have been supportive of the Americans in this war had better get their stuff together and vacate the scene sooner rather than later. Any and all of those who stay behind will be slaughtered and those on our side who created the circumstance that allow that to happen will turn a blind eye to the bloodshed. Leftists like Barack Obama could care less about such outcomes as long as the fighting ends. For them, surrender makes sense.

But rational people with an awareness of the lessons of history know that surrender always leads to disaster. To the victors go the spoils. And the losers are killed, subjugated, often enslaved and usually forgotten.

The article puts out the best spin on this news story as is possible since much of the media is on the far left as well. Some people will be fooled in the short run. But the historical record will live on through the ages and prove, once again, that the anti-war, anti-military, anti-victory left is on the wrong side of history.

The unforgivable part is that thousands will die as a result of their repeatedly failed ideology.


Britain and US prepared to open talks with the Taliban

A concerted effort to start unprecedented talks between Taliban and British and American envoys was outlined yesterday in a significant change in tactics designed to bring about a breakthrough in the attritional, eight-year conflict in Afghanistan.
Senior ministers and commanders on the ground believe they have created the right conditions to open up a dialogue with "second-tier" local leaders now the Taliban have been forced back in a swath of Helmand province.
They are hoping that Britain's continuing military presence in Helmand, strengthened by the arrival of thousands of US troops, will encourage Taliban commanders to end the insurgency. There is even talk in London and Washington of a military "exit strategy".
Speaking at the end of the five-week Operation Panther's Claw in which hundreds of British troops were reported to have cleared insurgents from a vital region of Helmand province, Lieutenant-General Simon Mayall, deputy chief of defence staff, said: "It gives the Taliban 'second tier' room to reconnect with the government and this is absolutely at the heart of this operation."
The second tier of the insurgency are regarded as crucial because they control large numbers of Taliban fighters in Pashtun-dominated southern Afghanistan. The first tier of Taliban commanders – hardliners around Mullah Omar – could not be expected to start talks in the foreseeable future. The third tier – footsoldiers with no strong commitments – are not regarded as influential or significant players.
The change in tactics was revealed as the Ministry of Defence announced that two more British soldiers were killed in southern Afghanistan. One, from the Light Dragoons, was on patrol in Operation Panther's Claw; the other, a soldier from the Royal Artillery, was killed on foot patrol in Sangin. Ten soldiers have died in Operation Panther's Claw.
Mayall is responsible for formulating operational policy in Afghanistan and his remarks gave added weight to interventions by senior ministers yesterday.
David Miliband, the foreign secretary, and Douglas Alexander, the international development secretary, yesterday held out the prospect of reconciliation between the Afghan government and Taliban fighters prepared to renounce violence.
For more than a year, British intelligence officers have been instigating contacts with Taliban commanders and their entourage. But their task has been very delicate given the sensitivities of the Karzai administration in Kabul.
The situation has been complicated further by the influx of hardline and ideologically motivated fighters joining the Taliban and other insurgent groups from across the Pakistani border.
But the fact that senior ministers and military commanders seized on the apparent success of Operation Panther's Claw to highlight the possibility of talks with the Taliban reflects their concern about the lack of progress so far in Nato's counter-insurgency. Significantly, and as if to counter public aversion to talks with the Taliban, ministers and military commanders alike compared the current campaign in southern Afghanistan to anti-terrorist operations in Northern Ireland.
A ComRes poll in today's Independent suggests most people now believe British troops should be pulled out of Afghanistan. Most of those who responded (58%) said the Taliban could not be defeated militarily, and 52% of those surveyed said troops should be withdrawn immediately. This compares with a Guardian/ICM poll earlier this month which showed that 42% of those surveyed wanted troops to be withdrawn immediately.
America's priorities in Afghanistan will be spelled out in a briefing paper drawn up by General Stanley McChrystal, the new US commander in the country, due to be handed to Barack Obama tomorrow.
He will emphasise the need for speeding up the training of Afghan troops, according to defence sources. He is also expected to ask for more troops from Nato allies. British military commanders are drawing up contingency plans to increase the number of British forces to more than 10,000 from the current 9,000.
Asked whether he needed more troops, Brigadier Tim Radford, commander of British troops in Helmand, replied: "I have enough forces to do what I set out to do in Panther's Claw."
The number of British troops that might be deployed in future was "out of my hands", he said. But he added that as the number of Afghan army recruits increased, the number of Nato forces required to train them also increased.
Miliband's call for talks with more moderate Taliban elements was echoed later by Gordon Brown, who said: "Our strategy has always been to complement the military action that we've got to take to clear the Taliban, to threaten al-Qaida in its bases – while at the same time we put in more money to build the Afghan forces, the troops, the police."

guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2009

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4 comments:

Tiny Bunch said...

I don't like him, and I didn't vote for him, but I think he may be misunderstood here. I think the President is trying to say that that unlike WWII there is no one in charge in Afghanistan that can say that they surrender. Even if whoever is in charge of Al Quieda surrenders, there will be another group pop up to continue fighting us.

The Historian said...

Tiny-

When dealing with non-state actors like terrorists you are most certainly correct. There is no victory in the sense of a state surrender.

However there is the victory of defeat of the enemy which is the only justifiable reason to send Americans into harms way in this war. Refusing to so state only weakens the resolve of our military and mitigates our goals.

And of course, there is no point to "talks" with terrorists for the obvious reasons including the one you state. Namely, even if a terrorist group were sincere (do not hold your breath), they would just be replaced by another.

Rick007 said...

Just the Liberal way to demoralize the military.

The Historian said...

Rick-

There is no doubt Obama is of the far left and that bunch is and has always been anti-military and anti-war. As POTUS, Obama is doing as much to keep in line with the left as he possibly can. So far, he is succeeding.